Betfred Casino caught running a cheating card game
#1
As per the title really!

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casi...games.html
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#2
I thought it was common knowledge that the "games" sections of casino sites had favor to the house... they are "games" not "casino" all being for "entertainment only purposes"
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#3
(01-05-2013, 03:22 PM)Roll_With_It_Russ link Wrote: I thought it was common knowledge that the "games" sections of casino sites had favor to the house... they are "games" not "casino" all being for "entertainment only purposes"

Erm, that's really not the point here.
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#4
Just because they advertise 100% RTP, that does not mean the game has to be random.

They can distribute the prizes as they choose effectively, the game could still pay out at 100%

I'm slightly confused since I could achieve 100% every go, I bet £1 on black and £1 on red, I got 100% return to player every time.
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#5
I've just had a go on the game in question, how anyone could think they playing a "card game" I don't know. Its clearly a machine type game, the game does not represent a pack of cards since there are no 10s.

Yes its wrong they advertised RTP of 100% if it was not, but think the odds displayed represented the odds of winning when the HI-LO part said 96.0 RTP then this should be questioned before play.

I see the paytable has been changed now to show it all at 96%.

It would not surprise me if this game was supplied to BETFRED with the option of running it at what % they choose, they published the wrong tables. The settings between casino show some running at 96% and some run the game at 100%.

The should refund all player that played the game upto the point the tables where corrected.

But at no point did I read in the help section that the game was random.
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#6
thanks for the link chop, great read that, and betfred have put their hands up, well halfway up.
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#7
double post time,

anyhow the thing that annoys me is on paddy power the marvel slot games it says that the jackpots are awarded at random, however the larger your bet the better chance you have of getting one. that cant be fair surely?
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(01-05-2013, 06:26 PM)keykeythe1 link Wrote: double post time,

anyhow the thing that annoys me is on paddy power the marvel slot games it says that the jackpots are awarded at random, however the larger your bet the better chance you have of getting one. that cant be fair surely?

That's because the jackpots are 'paid for' by players' stakes, just the same as at Jackpot Party.

If the contribution of stake is say, 5%, then a player on £10 per spin will be chucking 50p per spin into the jackpots, whereas someone playing £1 per spin will be contributing just 5p.

The chance of hitting a jackpot scales in a linear fashion with stake, over an infinite number of spins the RTP of both the high stakes and low stakes players is theoretically the same.
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#9
thank you for clearing that up for me.  drink
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#10
I keep meaning to join that site - cheers for the link!  Disgusting behaviour from Betfred to be fair.  I had to laugh at the utterly preposterous comments made by Dunover on the first page  lolol
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#11
The official response from Betfred, when it finally came, was 'lacking' to say the least.

They're getting eviscerated now.

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casi...post532267
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#12
interesting read that chop ! glad i dont get involved. by the way "eviscerated" dontknow
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(01-07-2013, 06:27 PM)shapesy link Wrote: interesting read that chop ! glad i dont get involved. by the way "eviscerated" dontknow

just about to type, also a word i've never heard before, i'm not going to take the easy google option neither... going to think about it.
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#14
So that Jaguar promotion, What was the summary ? How did using a bot defraud the game ? I've read that he lied with regards to using a bot and not proving who he is, but did he actually hit the triple 7 diamonds fairly or not ?

As for this recent betfred fuck up, what a shambles.
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#15
I still don't understand about some of those complaining think it was ever trying to represent a deck of cards, the only link with a deck of cards are the visuals.
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#16
Because in the modern worl we live in, everything has to be stated clearly what your buying/paying for. And to your casual/noobie gambler we'd presume that playing a card game should mimic an actual card game in real life, just computerised unless told otherwise.

It's very well saying read T & C's but the basics of anything should be explained beforehand. I think some would call it a moral obligation of a big company.
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#17
but its not representing a pack of cards is it, its representing 12 cards with images, so they are simular to cards, but theres no 10s either.

representing cards would be the cards are drawn from the pack eaach time, its not this its just a graphic represention of a numbered hi lo game, be different if a card was drawn.
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#18
I've no idea Russ, I've just read the thread not looked at the actual game in question, and it seemed everyone was of the same opinion regarding the deck of cards, I did notice someone mention something about there not being a number 10 in the pack ??

I think the main argument from everyone is that the RNG is being manipulated thus not properly Random isn't it ?
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#19
bottom line is, they mugged the public off , knowingly i might add, and got caught ,and i hope the scandal goes public asap.
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#20
No where in the game help are they saying the game is random, all I can see on the face of it is that the game had 2 ways of playing

HI-LO, the odds depending on the previous result

red/black, 2-9, J Q K A.


The HI-LO was advertised as 96% rtp some operators, 100% else where

On Betfred they stated the red/black option amongst others were 100%RTP

What had happend is a mix up between the two versions of the game availble.

The operator simplied displayed the incorrect information for the game they ran, they have corrected it now, returning all wagers to players(unclear if that losses or all wagers cancelled or just net losses)


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