FOBTs kill. Review of stakes and prizes due Tuesday 23rd
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018...akes-lives

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#2
Can’t see them announcing anything for a few weeks yet tbh.
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#3
Although judging by all the bookies share prices plummeting today looks more and more likely it’ll be £2.
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#4
What good will this do really, considering you can easily do a house, car and life at £2 a spin, on today's "entertainment"?
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(01-22-2018, 02:54 PM)ob Wrote: Although judging by all the bookies share prices plummeting today looks more and more likely it’ll be £2.

You know, like most have done me nuts on these things, dont really play em anymore but i always thought one thing. If you can only bet £2, as the punter you are very quickly going to reach a point where u cant get your money back right. For an example if u bet £1 on one number you have 36 spins to get your money back or make a profit if u hit it before then, u can then increase your stake to 2, 3+, same as betting red/black or any other method and doubleing down or say covering £20 nrs at a pound each and increasing until u hit or run out of money. Now if the limit is £2 is that 8 nrs u can cover max at 25p? Or 10 at 20p so max win £ 9 using this method so in 5 spins u already cant get your money back? Unless multiple hits or betting on one/2 nrs. Or £2 one nr max possible win £72 + multiple hits so less than a £onefiftay. Or are we going to be reduced to betting penny at a time so say 20nrs at a penny, 20p out the £2? By the time the punters 30quid in hes toast but i bet he wouldnt stop i can imagine people putting in 1-2 hundred chasing  a ten pound jp so %wise there gonna lose more in relation to  jp. Maybe they should set a limit on the amount of lotto tickets you can buy. Wont it  be strange u can go in  tesco to buy  a £10 scratchcard and  buy 10 but cant stake more than £2 on roulette?
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It'll just push people into the wild West of online. Bookies will get the real dregs of society that can't afford phones or computers, or maybe provide internet browsers for punters and take a commission

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Its ok, Onlines not harmfull or addictive as you just keep upping the stake till you win!
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(01-22-2018, 04:26 PM)Boulderdash Wrote: It'll just push people into the wild West of online. Bookies will get the real dregs of society that can't afford phones or computers, or maybe provide internet browsers for punters and take a commission

Wont catch me online?
But in all seriousness anyone know what the minimum stakes gonna be if £2s max? Still a pound? Cant see them staying open at a penny a spin. I remember these seafront roulette machines 20 years ago pretty sure they were 10p a go and you could back higher odds canoes. Or that horsey game and thered be you know evens upto about 50/1. Theres even roulette on these multi machines where you can bet like 15quid ish. Wont hurt me as dont play em maybe a good thing might convince fruit machine makers to make a friendlier machine hay maybe a dond roulette machine.. If it works for bagatelle....
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I know a few people with some serious addiction to FOBTs and for the most part they're in agreement that a reduction to £2 stake will pretty much curb the addiction almost outright (There is limited appeal of playing Roulette at £2 a spin). People are well aware of the numerous other places they can gamble at, but it's the pull of the actual FOBT that lure most in.

Look we've all heard horror stories of people losing their house, family and even their lives and whilst these stories come from most forms of gambling I'd bet (excuse the pun) the majority of said stories occur from FOBT addiction. Anyone who advocates them is a cunt.

I suspect next it online for a media push will be online, sitting in your pants and literally being able to bet an unlimited amount of cash surely must be looked at.

The Government want gambling in all forms seen as a form of entertainment, a hobby as you will. BULLSHIT, the last time I seen any one have a genuine pleasurably reaction to gambling is when our youngest snagged a keyring out of a 2p pusher. Don't mistake the short term euphoria of a "win" as the same thing.
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nothing has actually happened as far as I am aware, all that has happened is the majority of the evidence(presumably by the anti gambling groups) have put a case forward for £2 stakes.

10% share price drops is just a knee jerk, the possible implementation of £50 or less has already been priced in?
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(01-22-2018, 06:38 PM)JP 24/7 Wrote: I know a few people with some serious addiction to FOBTs and for the most part they're in agreement that a reduction to £2 stake will pretty much curb the addiction almost outright (There is limited appeal of playing Roulette at £2 a spin). People are well aware of the numerous other places they can gamble at, but it's the pull of the actual FOBT that lure most in.

Look we've all heard horror stories of people losing their house, family and even their lives and whilst these stories come from most forms of gambling I'd bet (excuse the pun) the majority of said stories occur from FOBT addiction. Anyone who advocates them is a cunt.

I suspect next it online for a media push will be online, sitting in your pants and literally being able to bet an unlimited amount of cash surely must be looked at.

The Government want gambling in all forms seen as a form of entertainment, a hobby as you will. BULLSHIT, the last time I seen any one have a genuine pleasurably reaction to gambling is when our youngest snagged a keyring out of a 2p pusher. Don't mistake the short term euphoria of a "win" as the same thing.

Idea yeah agree with most of that, though as for other places to gamble id say most people dont trust online in any way and a casino is usually quite far away for most or they might say its quite intimidating, some people feel that way about bookies even. I think people will still play roulette regardless of stake just have no chance of that short term euphoria u mentioned. I wonder if roulette disappeared completely on the high st if all the gamblers suddenly went phew thats me done! Nope it would just be some other form of gambling for them wouldnt it. I find it funny all these bleeding hearts crying about how much theyve lost and it should be banned etc but they wouldnt say that if they were winning, there must be some out there who win too....right? Surely theres a point where u walk away before u loose your house? Anyway at least these people were getting some exercise going to the bookies, theyd only be sitting at home with the bottle of whiskey and a revolver (Russian roulette probably lol). As for that euphoria for me it was cobing cp on gold or brt or 210/200 on std (lol) when few quid in however temporary. Oh and if thats mistaken there was at least the genuine pleasure of walking in a pub to find a machine u liked was now in there ,always had a smile to see gg
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Fobts are just easier and more practical for alot of people (mainly the older folk).

No messing about with signing up online, can pay in cash, get instant payout (usually), and gets you out the house or gives you an extra stop off after the pub. Also seems more "normal" to do your balls in a bookies than sat in your pants. Not to mention some people like physically playing a machine.

Im almost making the bookies sound good lol
I dont go in them myself. Dark shitty places that can financially ruin you, with x500 being the max win at £1 stake theres just not alot to play for, and considering how shit they are could be 1000s in where even 2 jackpots would be a loss.

I still think this, and the way the cat c's are going is just a way to make people on online and do even more bollocks.

The fact you can gamble upto millions of pounds online with little questions asked is very worrying.
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#13
They’ll probably find a way around it.

Certainly like being able to gamble winnings, like on those CMS things.

Can’t see them £2 max tho. No way.
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(01-22-2018, 10:42 PM)PMK Wrote: They’ll probably find a way around it.

Certainly like being able to gamble winnings, like on those CMS things.

Can’t see them £2 max tho. No way.

they don't even need to find a way, its already there as you say.

re gamble winnings, plus you can build a greater edge in the base game.

still as a casino game it loses its appeal somewhat... turnover ends up massively down.
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#15
They should make membership of online casinos via some central registry or some such. Here is where you can set your responsible gambling limits.

I have a few sites I'm a member on all with low deposit limits. But if I hit those and am in the mood it's all too easy to just open a new account elsewhere. Now thankfully I haven't done brains doing this but it's obvious how easy it would be to do so.

So make casinos and online use the same system. Give casinos the same unlimited stake/JP that online has. Give the system all the sensible controls it needs and beyond that let people gamble what is comfortable to them. Membership card becomes required to play slots in casinos. You could even apply this to bookies too. I'd still set max stake to £2 tho. Fuck the bookies.
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I guarantee if £2 is the max there will be a pre-game pie gamble with adjustable odds and a fair 1 in 25 chance of winning £50 off it at max setting, which can then be gambled on the roulette wheel as "winnings". Like the old Magic Games used to have.

And about braining online, in spring the national online self exclusion scheme kicks in.
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#17
Yeh you just know they’re already trying to think off ingenious ways to bypass the £2 stake!
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#18
Highlight of the article: "Liam recalls one occasion when he watched a customer stake over £16,000 in a day, chasing his losses, only to leave with £1.50" Rofl I bet they probably made him wait 15 minutes to get paid out as well!
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A lot of the "helpful" decisions were shit.
Like stopping advertising free competitions in the shopw windows for a start.
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Any more information available on this national online self exclusion scheme?
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